The Birmel Lathe

This is a 3 1/2 inch centre height lathe. Its date of manufacture is not known but the fact that it has Vee pulley drive rather than flat belt puts it around the late thirties. All the fixings are Whitworth, with a mixture of large and small headed nuts which suggests it might have been made during WW2 possibly with Birmel being licenced by Mellor.

The design is essentially the same as the Mellor type A but with minor changes. The main mandrel has a 3MT internal taper and the tailstock is 2MT. Also, there is a different method of engaging the carriage and cross slide power feeds using knurled knobs into which a 3/16 inch rod can be inserted to increase purchase.

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This is a general view of the headstock end of the lathe taken shortly after its aquisition and with only a limited amount of cleaning and oiling.

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View of the saddle, cross slide and top slide, also shortly after aquisition.

Sizes

Bed length O/A 3 ft
Bed width 6 inches
Mandrel nose 1.25 diameter x 10 TPI Whitworth form
Mandrel centre height above bed 3.5 inches (no gap)
Mandrel front bearing1 3/8 inch diameter, 2.5 inches long
Mandrel rear bearing1 3/16 inch diameter, 2.5 inches long

Weight of Individual Parts (in kg)

Lathe bed 29.5
Raising blocks 9.0
Swarf tray 7.5
Sub frame /motor mount 20.5
Headstock assy 18.5
Tailstock 4.5
Saddle assy 13.0
Top slide 2.5
Power feed assy. 4.5
Lead screw assy. 5.0
Swarf Tray. 7.5
Misc bits and fixings 5.0

Change Wheels

Tony Griffith suggestions Myford Standard Birmel Thread plate What I have
20 20 x 2 20 20
- 21 x 2 ** --
25 25 25 25
3030- 30
353535 35 x2
--- 36
3838- 38
404040 40 x 2
454545 45
505050 50
555555 55
606060 60 x 2
-6565 65
707070 70
757575 75
80-80 80
85-85 -
90-90 90
95-95 -
--100 -
--- 127

** These are optional and used for metric screw cutting

Limitations

During early use after its refurbishment some difficulties have been encountered. Others were foreseen when delivery was first taken of the lathe and have not yet been fully investigated

  1. The lathe does not have a gap bed.
  2. This was realised on delivery and may not be a serious problem for the work that is envisaged.

  3. The cross slide is not fitted with Tee slots like the Myfords.
  4. With the current availablility of milling machines suitable for home use this will not be a problem as the lathe will not be required for uses other than turning.  In any case a vertical slide can be fitted on to the top slide for light milling work.
  1. The tool post is too high
  2. In its standard form the maximum size of tool that can be fitted is 8mm square due to the height of the cross slide, top slide and four-way tool post.  This tool post may not be original.   The distance from top slide to centre height is 15mm.   It should be possible to remove 1mm from the top slide to allow 16mm tools to be clamped directly on to the top slide and also reduce the thickness at the bottom of the four-way post so that 12mm tools can be mounted.

  3. Height of top slide makes it impossible to set the slide at 30° or 27.5° for screwcutting.
  4. Position of the drive for the carriage power feed makes the fitting of an electronic digital scale very difficult
  5. Individual parts

    Not in any particular order but starting with pictures of some of the gears shown in the diagram below.

    Birmel Lathe, All the lathe's gearing

    A diagram of all the gearing on the lathe but not including the changewheels

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    Inside of the two speed gearbox for the power feed.   The gear ratios are 18:24 and 24:18.

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    External view of the power feed gear box.   The 64T input gear is on the left and the drive shaft to the right.   The spline that drives the worm gear is only on the end of the shaft so will not show in this picture.

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    The power feed gear box mounted on the lathe base.   The 64T input gear is not fitted.

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    The power feed worm and worm gear. The gear and clutch for the cross-slide feed is at the top of the picture behind the worm gear.

    The cross slide power feed provides a travel of 0.0056 inches and 0.0031 inches in high and low ratio respectively

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    The shaft providing the power feed to the saddle. 15T drive gear at the bottom half of the picture with the cone clutch and clamp nut on the end of the shaft.

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    Rear view of the apron.   Power feed shaft is not fitted.

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    Top view of the saddle with the power feed shaft fitted.

    The saddle power feed provides a travel of 0.0157 inches and 0.0088 inches in high and low ratio respectively

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    Change wheel plate fitted on the front of the apron.   This is from where the list of Birmel change wheels was produced, shown in the table in the change wheel section.

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    Back end of the mandrel showing tumbler gears.

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    Output shaft at left hand end of the lathe where the first change wheel is fitted.   Note the small hole where the 3/32 inch driving pin is fitted.

    Headstock

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    Headstock front lower bearing showing the oiling wick.

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    Headstock rear lower bearing showing the oiling wick.

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    Front of mandrel resting in its bearing.  Note the scoring on the shaft caused by the oiling wick.

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    Rear of mandrel showing the power take-off gear (LHS) and the first back gear (RHS).  Note the similar scoring to the front.

    The lathe base

    The lathe was supplied as a bare unit but was complete with a set of change wheels, the swarf tray, a single phase motor, a layshaft with 4-speed pulley and Sturmey Archer clutch, and a box of miscellaneous bits.

    The single phase motor may have been the original and all the insulation was completely unusable and so it was scrapped.   The layshaft was a large structure and would need a lot of construction to make a satisfactory mounting.   So the decision was taken to use a three-phase motor driven from an inverter with a single speed pulley.   This gives a mandrel speed at 50Hz of 815 RPM and the lowest practical speed using the back gear of about 27 RPM.

    The previous lathe had been mounted on a simple wooden base with the motor on a simple Dexion frame - all very ramshackle.  This lathe would have a rigid frame manufactured from steel box section 50 x 50mm box section 3mm thick.

    The pictures show some of the manufacturing of the base.

    Birmel Lathe, Lathe base

    A plan view of the base design.  The main structure uses 50mm box section with L-section being used for the motor support and motor mounting plate.

    Birmel Lathe, Lathe base - motor mounting

    Side view detail of the motor mounting on slides.

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    Cutting the metal sections.

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    Drilling the holes for the motor slides in pairs.

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    All the metal ready for assembly.

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    Frame clamped to heavy metal section and first welds made.

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    Vertical sections for the motor mount clamped rigid for welding.  Note the Argon bottle but an MMA welding holder on the bench; the frame was welded using a mixture of MMA and TIG.

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    Another view of the clamping for the uprights.

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    Detail of a TIG weld  Note the less perfect MMA weld on the inside of the joint.

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    Cast iron elbow bronze welded to the underside of the swarf tray to provide a drain for cutting fluid.

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    Frame finished and painted.

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    Frame with swarf tray and raising blocks in place.

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    Detail of the motor mounting and sliding tension adjustment.  At this stage the tensioning screws are not fitted.

    Click to download a short video of the first run of the motor connected to the mandrel